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> This worked well for a while, until a few months ago, using early versions of Fable, I realized that I wasn’t using plan mode anymore because the model just got it, and because for the increasingly complex work I asked the model to do, planning had become interactive and iterative. With Opus 5.5, I feel Opus has gotten to that point too.

For me it’s actually the opposite, and Claude Code’s plan mode isn’t nearly sufficient. Personally I ask Claude to write down a markdown file with its plan, then review the plan using plannotator, and then go back and forth (most of the time it’s actually the comments that are the problem, not the code).

Then start a fresh session, seed it with the plan, tell Claude to find ambiguities / friction points / oversights, resolve those, and then implement it.

Review once again with plannotator, go back and forth, and then send PR.

Maybe not the “vibe coding” that was once imagined, but this does ensure I am fully aware of the code and architecture, the quality, and this also prevents long term degradation.

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I've recently gotten religion on the workflow that is many (relatively) short-lived agent sessions passing planning/handoff docs between themselves. It's better for my own task tracking, better for handling "oh btw I noticed XXXX", and better as a clear review point. Overall it just feels like it takes a lot of the formerly implicit context that was whatever we happened to have talked about and turns it into a much more explicit "this is what you need to know, now go".

Currently looking for a framework for managing this in a more formal way, and I think it's probably beads, but interested to hear from others.

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Spent the past 1,5 years building a tool that might be relevant, helping keep durable task state between agent sessions. It is an issue tracker persisting state as immutable event logs, allows you to inspect workflows after the fact, lets you inspect diffs inline in the tickets and it is much more lightweight than Jira/Linear. There is no central service to integrate with, as it is Git-backed and lives with your code in your repo.

https://ljtn.github.io/epiq/

Might be worth a look if you’re evaluating alternatives to Beads.

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This looks really nice and I'm definitely going to give it a go. I been relying on Jira so this will be a breath of fresh air. Beads was great in principle and I haven't given it a look in a while but this looks much cleaner.
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Not OP but will definitely have a look.

I have some older projects that use beads (I still run an old version without dolt that's imho pretty good overall) but lately with Fable also have a few newer projects where I just have the agent write docs and keep a worklog with the what/why/decisions etc. (I think I read it here on HN somewhere and figured I'd give that a try.)

The latter seems to work pretty well for now (slightly better than beads) but I'm always looking for ways to improve it. This could be an interesting replacement.

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Wow. It's like beads++

Great work man.

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Oh shit, this looks incredible. Thanks!
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> 13:37 - 13:49

“ayy lmao”

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I have a lot of little projects and I also prefer this way of working with agents. Sometimes I would start to interrogate on a specific portion or ask questions to better understand a concept, and the session would get poisoned and the agent would fixate on that topic for all the remaining turns.

I asked fable to look at my interaction patterns and clearly stated my frustrations and the problems I wanted solved, and it designed a simple process to track things in git and built a couple simple session hook skills. It’s pretty lightweight and I’ve been very happy with it for a couple months.

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The power of this mode of work is that after you deconstruct the task into smaller subtasks, it's a lot easier to use cheaper models to implement that task.

I get a long way using models like Opus to make a plan of action and a bunch of tasks, and then using Deepseek to implement that plan of action. Saves a bunch of money and is fast.

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Yep! The other big advantages for me:

- I have a record of work done and work to be done that helps _me_ when I come back to the project after several months. It’s committed and lives with the code.

- when a task inevitably ends up more complicated than I thought, I can in that session break it up

- I initiate sessions from multiple computers, so things stay in sync (through git)

- I also have a “tooling” repo that builds out some views of the work and hosts it for me to see when I’m on my phone.

- The hooks let the agent manage all of the workflow/task management, so there’s very little management overhead for me.

I rejected beads and JIRA. I wanted something more lightweight.

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What do the session hooks do?
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I use Jobs [0] to manage this—it's an agent-first CLI to track issues and tasks. A single `job orient` command gives the agent the current task in the context of the larger plan. It's a replacement for Plan Mode and issue trackers, and it has allowed me to execute massive plans in parallel with minimal oversight. There's a web UI, but it's a work in progress.

[0]: https://github.com/bensyverson/jobs

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I've been on this kick since I realized the primacy of the initial part of the session context. I created a python app that reads a phased plan and kicks off a new session for each phase. There is a standard prompt and handoff mechanism to determine if we encountered any unforeseen issues that we need to address in chat, but otherwise it will just grind with a clean session with appropriate context for each phase.
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Just kicking off a subagent does this automatically...?

My main conversation is usually with an orchestrator that hands off work to various (usually cheaper) subagents to plan / review / etc. It has instructions to find the correct model for each task and not to do too much itself so a multi-phase plan automatically gets a fresh subagent for each phase.

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I used taskwarrior for myself and agents, but felt it was insufficient for agentic era in many ways, so I started building my own a while back:

https://aventasks.dev/

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That sounds very similar to just manually compacting after every message. Is there a difference I'm not seeing?
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Look into beads/dolt then - it does this pretty much with a cli - Jira for agents :)
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httpd://recursive-mode.dev
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My workflow is very similar. But I just ask agents to write design in html instead of markdown, due to its richer layout and better interactivity. When the design is about UI or anything related to graphics, this approach is extremely efficient.

I also found that having the design reviewed by multiple agents has very little marginal value. The review agent will always find something to improve, but mostly it’s just nit and not anything super important.

I used to let Claude just upload the html design doc to Claude artifacts for me to review. Recently I switched to codex and started to use my own tool https://github.com/hyperlogue/r3 to complete this workflow.

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> (most of the time it’s actually the comments that are the problem, not the code).

I wonder if it's just a consequence of a gigantic training set full of comments completely out-of-date with the code, leading to the model considering this "normal"

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I don't usually see Claude leaving comments that are obviously out of date compared to the code. The problem is that the comments are just a dumping grounds for Claude's stream of consciousness, verbosely recording random bits of history and context that are true and at least somewhat relevant, but without cohesively explaining why the code is the way it is. And some sentences in the comments will be beginner-style restating what's obvious from reading the code.
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Exactly. Comments are basically its scratchpad for whatever it wants. Ask it to change a number in a TOML config and it'll also add 2 new comment lines above it with some Claudeslop about it being changed and what that accomplishes, as a useless note to itself.

I now make sure to do a big decommenting pass before every PR.

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This kind of stuff annoys me too, and I have instructions in agent.md to avoid it, which helps.

But I also am starting to just let go and stop caring. It’s not clear to me that it causes problems down the road, it’s easy to strip out en-masse if needed, and in my experience, agents now are really good at read git blame, the commit log, even prior agent transcripts if available to sleuth out when a change was made and why. So yeah, it’s annoying, but the code agents write for me is increasingly never read by a human, so does it matter?

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This. Be honest: who reads the human-written comments? ;)

When I read, I skip most comments, especially the larger "Javadoc" style. My brain sees them colored differently in the editor and it doesn't even take mental effort. Then, when I have a question about the code, I look back up for a relevant comment. That doesn't happen very often.

If Claude writes great code and leaves a garbled Claudese-but-accurate comment ... I can read and comprehend (with like 5x the effort of a human comment) ... that's a small price to pay.

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Yes, comments might be my biggest gripe with CC due to what you said. 9 out of 10 of my revisions to Claude's work is deleting or rewriting comments. Such a silly thing for it to fail on.

(I do have detailed instructions for it on how to comment (or not) but it has not fixed this.)

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You can only fit so many bits of watermarks in code... but comments on the other hand, the possibilities are endless!
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Nah, it’s the typical Claude-isms, and way too much info, info in the wrong places, and putting lots of planning discussions into comments that are completely irrelevant.

It’s always “you explain only what but not why” or “this is way too much prose” or “these comments don’t belong here, they should be inline comments” or “this is completely redundant as it’s already obvious from the code”.

I do find that once I beat it into submission and the codebase is “clean”, the new code it generates gets better and better, which makes sense gives its pattern-prediction nature. But it seems like there is work to do for Anthropic in terms of getting Claude to not confuse code comments with dumping its interactive discussion state into there.

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That used to be my flow but I stripped it all out with opus 5.5 and it's working great. You don't need all the process anymore
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There is a popular skill for this kind of workflows: https://github.com/obra/superpowers
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Superpowers never really held up in my own testing vs /plan - not just more expensive but markedly worse code organisation, because the plan itself leads to higher cognitive burden for the models - and today it's even worse, because /plan doesn't hold up versus coming up with a few high level slices and having cc work on one per session, for much the same reason.

5.5 is much closer to Fable so i don't even need it. I am pretty sure it's got Fable's DNA in it.

I really need to find a role where I can do more DX...

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Yeah I always balked at the amount bloat in that repo, and I just prefer a more lightweight setup and plannotator’s UI which I can use to interactively review stuff. It solves this one problem better, where superpowers tries to do way too much, poorly.

https://plannotator.ai/

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I dived into one or two of the skills there and some of it feels very cargo-culty. In a similar vein to the article, the models have improved markedly now and I’m not convinced that “You are an experienced senior software engineer and an expert reviewer, here are five pages of instructions on how to do a review” style prompts are massively useful any more.

I get great review results (as good or better than colleagues using superpowers or even adversarial review skills) just by asking Claude to review a PR and spit out results in order of severity.

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Have you recently tried working without generating that plan? What I've been doing is first tell the model I want to plan the implementation, talk about it a few turns, then when I'm happy with the idea and method just tell the model to go ahead with the work.

Note that this is only really necessary for complex work that I don't know yet what the best way to do it is.

I've tried doing it your way as well, but there was just too much fiddling about with writing the plan somewhere, then having another session rebuild their context with whatever info is in the plan. It really didn't result in better output for me.

Currently 9 times out of 10 I just say to the model: xyz is the problem/bug/feature, fix it. Since about Fable and Opus 5, this is more than enough. Opus 5.5 (and previously Fable 5.1) got even better at this. However, this is in a codebase where there are already a few hundred thousand lines of code for the model to look at to see how we generally attack things in our codebase.

Claude Codes plan mode I never use anymore, it was useful a few months ago because the models had a tendency to just start doing work and forget I specifically told them not to. But the UX is just annoying and the models now do adhere when I tell them not to change anything.

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I have, and it always does something unexpected and undesirable.

Plan mode ensures I'm spending fewer tokens on the code-test loop, and more on the arch/design, and allows me to keep appraised of what's going on, while planning for future changes better.

Maybe folks who don't need planning, don't have as much concern for the details, and are happy enough with just evaluation of if it works or not.

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I do the same, I don't use Claude Code or Codex planning because it is mostly pointless, even with Fable/Astra. I just have multiple agents work on a markdown file which I manually perfect, often breaking into multiple different files for large features or PRs. I also create design 'handoff' documents which I feed into Claude Design or Astra along with screenshots and wireframes. By the time an agent does something I'm well prepared.

I've tried doing the incremental, iterative approach with just Code and it's just not as effective unless you're working on something simple or experimental. Or you're shipping to something non-serious or perpetually beta.

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I have roughly the same workflow, also with plannotator - which I like a lot - and haven't used or felt the need to use _plan mode_ for at least 3-4 months.

Then telling Claude to work on a document, the instruction is kept to its core.

Now when bcherny explicitly mentioned that it merely adds a single line - it explains why I don't need it.

What may be concerning about "super plan" mode from the creators (or a skill, for that matter) - is that tuning the amount of effort, and how much deep to dig - may become too hard, as it will interfere with several embedded paragraphs explaining what to do, how to do, where to do, etc'.

What I do look for is even better plannotator ability to track changes, combining historical comments (like Google docs), and git blame of several "generations" before current reviewed doc.

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Couldn't you commit the plan markdown to git to get the tracking you're referring to?
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While possible to commit, I'd still loose the comments themselves, and the commit will be at least per changeset, and not connected ro a specific changed section.

Roughly speaking, I'd be happy if plannotator would persist something similar to github PR reviews combined with Google docs comments & suggestions.

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I do something similar. But where I change it up a bit is depending on plan complexity I divvy up parts of the implementation to different subagents with fresh, only relevant context for whatever they're responsible for doing (e.g. a part of that plan). Edit: to clarify, I will also go back and forth with the planning agent making sure edge cases are covered. Sometimes that involves invoking a new subagent without our planning context to validate it without preconceptions.

I personally still find planning a valuable mental exercise; it's not so different from pre-LLMs and whiteboarding or otherwise taking the time to consciously plan a set of work.

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> write down a markdown file with its plan, then review the plan using plannotator

How do I use plannotator to review an arbitrary markdown file? It always opens the Claude Code plan file for me.

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On the quick start page it looks like you just pass it as a CLI argument: https://docs.plannotator.ai/open-source/start/quickstart
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I use similar approach, but use gpt to review plan written by opus.
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Yeah, sure, but you don't need a dedicated plan mode for that at all. you can just do it in auto mode, and say "let's do some planning first", and Claude will (nowadays) be smart enough to understand that it's not supposed to jump straight into the implementation.

So again: You don't need plan mode, auto mode works just fine, there is no difference in the workflows here.

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I do something similar but a bit more involved, using a few informal stages. Let's say for example I'm trying to launch a new complex feature for https://coderba.se.

- strategy document

- "sprint" document with technical implementation

- actual implementation

- e2e testing scenarios updates

Every step involves iterating with Claude on it with me in the loop (setting the direction then resolving the "founder questions" as they appear), and importantly a different model for review/code-review, be it Codex (usually, it's great at it) or Antigravity/Gemini (sometimes finds novel things, its precision and recall are abysmal but on the odd occasion it has good accuracy). This iteration on the high-level plan then on the implementation plan is essential to me, and IMHO part of why people are surprised that I tend to get solid results from LLMs. At the very least, it allows me to fill gaps in my own knowledge (primarily front-end development) and be more productive than writing the code myself. I cannot stress enough how nice it is to have a partner in the high-level system design – yes, it often suggests utterly moronic ideas, but the overall experience is still net positive and getting better every quarter.

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It's useful because it let's me see the decisions the model will make before it wastes a ton of time implementing them. The model is smarter now but that doesn't solve for underspecification if it guesses my intent wrong
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Interesting, I don’t see this very often with the latest models. Are you using Opus 5.5/Fable 5.1?

Either way, plan mode isn’t going away. You can always /plan or ask Claude to enter plan mode. We might re-map the shift+tab keyboard shortcut to something else by default for people that don’t use plan mode.

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> Interesting, I don’t see this very often with the latest models.

Strange response. I agree with the parent comment here, plan mode lets me ensure that I have specified everything correctly before it gets built which is far too late. I don't see how an improved models even matter to this workflow. Is Fable going to read my mind?

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What is it with the snide responses? This threads title is "Plan mode is dead", not "You don't need to plan anymore".

Boris is saying that you don't need /plan to get the model to plan, you can just say "Let's plan this out" or similar, which at least matches my experience. Your experience may differ, of course, but it's not even clear we are talking about the same thing.

Maybe some people have not been long enough on this rodeo: This used to be an actual issue. You told the model "DONT START CODING YET" and yet, surely enough, starting to code it did. That is what /plan etc were supposed to fix.

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I also use Plan Mode. How does it otherwise work if I am not even quite sure what exactly I want to build myself?
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> if I am not even quite sure what exactly I want to build myself

Sounded to me like you need a plan.

My approach is to take the statement of work or problem definition and iterate on that myself until I'm really clear on what is the goal. I therefore have a good some good ideas about what the plan should be.

If extending an existing application, which is usually the case, then make use of the plan documents that I had written before AI arrived on the scene. These sre documents in markdown form that say step-by-step how to, for example, add a new report to the system.

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You tell it, "let's brainstorm, don't implement anything yet". Then you talk about what you want to build and hammer out all the corner cases. Then you tell it "now do that".
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I have something like this in my default rules which Claude has consistently always loaded before doing any work. Works really well!
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> How does it otherwise work if I am not even quite sure what exactly I want to build myself?

It makes some plausible choices and you can retroactively ask it to make different ones later, if you want.

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My experience with that is not very good. It gets so hung up in its initial decision. Like, it won't make changes because they're "breaking", for something never even committed. Or it will litter the code base with defensive code and comments about the path not chosen.
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This is my experience as well. Changing the initial decision is a hassle so I just start over most of the time.
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> My experience with that is not very good. It gets so hung up in its initial decision. Like, it won't make changes because they're "breaking", for something never even committed.

This hasn't been my experience.

> Or it will litter the code base with defensive code and comments about the path not chosen.

I've definitely seen this, though.

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I love when people on HN think they're special or do more "real" software engineering.

Basically every big tech company maintains "codebases with millions of lines built upon decades." Talk to your friends at a FAANG and ask them how they're using Claude/Codex.

Merging after reading the PR description is just how it's done these days, and if you can't do it reliably, your harness, devloop, or model is simply behind the times.

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>when people on HN think they're special or do more "real" software engineering.

But you're doing the same with your "how it's done these days".

These days things are done in many contradicting ways, and it probably will take at least a few years to settle on common normal.

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The model is irrelevant, plan mode helps us ensure the model will actually do what we have in mind. The best model in the world can't work around misinterpretation because of bad specs. I'm not sure why this is even a discussion, isn't it obvious to anyone actually using LLMs?
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This is an out of touch with reality thing to say. Remember: not everyone has access to unlimited usage/money to spend tokens or the most expensive models with the higher thinking settings, exceptions does not make the rules.
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> This is an out of touch with reality thing to say

I mean, you're discussing this with a marketer/someone wearing a marketing hat, who works for a company which needs people to use as many tokens a possible. That's their reality

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Calling a distinguished engineer a "marketer" like this is demeaning, disrespectful and shitty, please don't do it. If you want to point out potential bias, there are more civil ways to state that.
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"Marketing hat" is extremely civil. Back off.

I see you didn't disagree with the main thrust of my post.

You'll also note their 'About' is empty. Regardless, engaging with HN in this manner is de facto marketing/PR. Trillion dollar companies don't just let anyone post on high-profile social media websites for any length of time without permission from marketing/legal/PR.

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Engineers can nevertheless also be marketers for their employer's products.
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I don't think me giving the model bad instructions is something a smarter model can solve. I use plan mode constantly (with opus/fable), and at least once a day I'll say something too vague or just dumb and it will sketch out the "wrong" solution in it's plan.

Which is fine because it just put together a plan and didn't spend 10 minutes rearchitecting everything.

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I haven’t tested with Claude specifically in a while, but I see this a lot on larger features.

It tends to be small decisions way down the stack that bubble up, or an incoherent data model that can’t handle what you’re asking for cleanly.

Eg I was messing with a state tracker the other day. The state tracker assumes a container is either currently running, or fully removed from disk.

The LLM chose to remove the state file when the container is stopped and then to remove it after, which leaks container storage.

The LLM is kind of stuck though, because every option other than “rewrite the data model” has negative outcomes and it probably violates user expectations to launch a massive rewrite there.

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I've found Opus 5.5 is quite good at surfacing and clarifying these issues using Grilling[0]. Often I find that I want to expand the scope of work much larger than Claude would consider based on my original request.

0. https://github.com/mattpocock/skills/blob/main/skills/produc...

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I have primarily used Fable 5, Fable 5.1, and now Opus 5.5. I never use shift-tab to enter plan mode personally. My general workflow is chatting with the machine to work out fiddly bits, then /plan to get everything in one document, and reviewing the plan.

/plan is still useful, I still need to review what it's going to do and still make revisions. But there's two phases: hammer out key design decisions then write and amend the document.

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It happens with Opus when I leave too much up to interpretation and the AI doesn't do what I had envisioned but didn't specify. Like sure, what it did may be a technically correct solution but it's not the correct solution that allows for further development of my idea. I'm not sure how others do their projects but I start small with proof of concepts and develop in layers until the project does what I want. I use plan mode first to layout everything I can think of that I ultimately want and describe features in the best detail I can manage. I work with Claude to figure out the best framework or find whatever existing projects can serve as a starting point. The first milestone is the proof of concept, take the framework/existing project and build something that does the bare minimum of what I need in the way I want it done then build a test suite to make sure it works. Once that's proven out, we start adding more features (both mine and the ones Claude has suggested) and adding/revising tests along the way. For small things, I won't bother with a plan since I generally already know what I want or any ambiguities can be solved in a single response. But for larger things, I try to take a waterfall approach with well defined milestones.

If I knew exactly how I was going to build something, I would have built it myself. But since there's some ambiguity in the portions of the project I'm less familiar with, I rely on the plan to not only help me understand the decisions Claude has made for me but to keep Claude constrained to the decisions I've made. It's very frustrating to waste tokens on having to refactor something because

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I can relate to this. But this part doesn't make sense to me.

> But for larger things, I try to take a waterfall approach with well defined milestones.

> If I knew exactly how I was going to build something, I would have built it myself

Aren't these contradictory? If you don't know exactly what/how to build, how can you do waterfall?

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Yeah IMO there's two entirely different traps I've seen in startup codebases in the last year or so:

1) "Maybe waterfall works now" - plan mode, take care of all the nits and issues that the bot leaves on your PR, wildly overengineered "enterprisey" solutions with a lot of bells and whistles all over the place but very poor end-to-end user story test coverage that results in user experiences with a lot of good test coverage of the edge cases of how a given step might fail but little thought towards overall user flow and throughput. Because part of the issue with waterfall was assuming you could design the right tool for your user up front.

2) "Maybe code doesn't matter anymore" - The just ask for something when you need it approach, which results in weird janky individually-sorta-working but strangely-overlapping six-variants-of-the-same-thing that makes it hard for your users to develop a single consistent mental model of the thing they're using, and that changes super frequently.

They both end up with a lot of other bad-for-velocity things that I assume are inherent to how the tools have been refined in response to last year's criticism, too. Super verbose comments. Extensive - without much eye toward runtime - low-level test coverage that might miss the forest for the trees and also slows down the next round of iteration cycles. A plethora of new proper nouns all over the place that make the documentation an ouroboros without a good entry point.

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I use fable 5.1 (tried opus but it lied to me 3 times in quick succession and ignored me in another)

This is weird to ask because I feel like of course the model isn't omniscient? Isn't the whole point of iterating on a plan to assess impact, risk, know your (the user) variables, user impact, product impact, etc for making a change? I cannot count the times even in the past few months where I start a conversation with my C suite because their desired outcome would have a potential negative impact elsewhere for other products or users.

Is this just not something that comes up at Anthropic?

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We got Opus 5.5 just a few days ago so haven’t had time to learn its ways, and Fable was/is too expensive for many people including myself. Insiders have months to learn the ins and outs of new models.

It would be nice if with new model releases claude code also gave a bit of a model 101 that tells you evolving ways of prompting it that the insiders have picked up. I know there’s the prompting guide in the claude docs, but this is often very broad and most people don’t know about it.

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Hey, well first off, congrats on making the greatest product ever probably.

I absolutely see fable and opus 5.5 misunderstanding intent, but that just seems to be a feature of necessarily underspecifying in a written prompt. Just today, I gave opus 5.5 a simple task to spin up a new environment for work. It read the ticket, which was decently specified and knowing the codebase as well as "Ghasp... reading the code" I had to correct it about 5 times to do it in a way that I would have expected it to. Getting the pipelines right, environment variables, and configs. It was all relatively straight forward imo. Then I had to prompt it to clean up its corrections, because it left a workflow variable in the github action that some intermediate step required but the final solution didn't. I definitely would not have caught that if I didn't read the output. Idk, there seems to be a natural limit as to how much it can infer and I have no idea how to fix it. I did write about it [here](https://javiergonzalez.io/blog/the-assumption-problem/) though.

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I’ve been having similar issues. Absolute love fable but it keeps leaving development servers running that are blocking port 3000 (rails apps run on this by default) and then when I try to launch the app and realize the port is in use I ask fable what’s up and it says sorry I left x running and then shuts it off freeing up the port.
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Theo would have a field day with this, should surely read your article too imo.
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Why would he have a field day with it? It seems he oscillates between finding models the greatest thing there is to being absolutely stupid so not sure in which direction you're implying he'd have a field day.
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I'm curious. Who is Theo?
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Theo is a YouTuber & prolific X tweeter who has a channel about AI. This is not Theo, but gives a flavour of Theo's style: https://youtu.be/h1p9zdUtUdo
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thanks for the info. I'll politely pass on the video though. priorities
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Why is “are you using the latest model?” the automatic response to any even mildly critical of LLM coding?

OP wasn’t even actually critical of LLMs, they were just saying that plan mode was helpful to stop the model from making incorrect assumptions when you want you don’t specify everything you should.

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For me, every day, although it fails far less often at this than Opus 5 did, which might as well have been a gremlin. It was a really poor technical writer too, leaving slop reminders to itself in all prose, including comments. So even if 5.5 fails less right this second, I have trouble believing that it all will not similarly bite me next week.

Summaries that don't tell me when it's changed direction in a timely fashion, but I am only told way later, when I have to undo. Really bad judgement calls regarding where to fix bugs, changes in implementation decisions, taking action when I am asking a question directly, not passive aggressively asking for action... when 5, 3 days ago, was proven to be untrustworthy, switching to very little supervision sounds like a strange thing for a customer to do.

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How could a newer model be better at making up information? Do you understand basic information theory? Or maybe what you're saying is you don't actually have any ideas and are happy to do what everyone else has done before you so it makes no difference?
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It’s just surprising how few people understand this. It’s not like it’s new either. Polyani’s theory of tacit knowledge captured this back in 1958
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The older models were less good at inferring intent. The new ones just seem to do a better job.
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They're just more subtly wrong when they are
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That sounds like a contorted way of saying "better."
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Hi! Taking this moment to gripe; forgive me...

5.5 and 5.1 have major Rain Man (savant) syndrome. Excellent at many hyper-technical things, absofuckinglutely boneheaded at anything that a human (or an earlier model) would understand - like how to write copy, what a human would expect in a given situation, various types of norms...

it's infuriating because it's a sophies choice - dumber model but better human understanding, or better technical model that you have to explain things to over and over like a toddler.

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You can just tell it to write out a plan.md file.

I greatly prefer this, since it lets me iterate on the plan with Claude for a while without it repeatedly asking if I’m ready to implement the plan.

Once I’m satisfied, I usually start a fresh session and tell it to implement the plan.

For smaller plans, you don’t need the file. Just ask it to come up with a plan. I don’t recall the last time it just started implementing if I only asked for a plan.

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This is the process I generally use too. Small plans you can just ask for, and big plans you work through building a plan.md file before you build it.
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That also makes it easier to adversarially review the plan (I have Fable write the plan, then review it with Astra and another Fable instance).
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But that’s just the value of planning, not having it be a special mode.
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I guess that You dont need plan mode any more is ambiguous. I took it to mean you dont need to plan because the models are so good at infering intent. You are taking it as "you dont need a dedicated modality to create a plan".
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> wastes a ton of time

It wastes a ton of tokens as well and those are not cheap.

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It’s not that planning is dead, but rather that planning has outgrown the simple “Plan Mode” feature as models have become capable of taking longer turns.
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the thing is it fails on CSS most of time, I experienced it and it takes a lot of time to fix again and again, and ruin the code sometimes
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Plan mode is critical in the beginning, because there's a lot of long tail decisions that haven't been considered, let alone resolved.

But as skills and memory are populated over time, Plan mode isn't as necessary. It becomes simpler to let Claude just build and get something general in place that works, and then refine from there. Auto mode will ask essential questions.

I still use Plan mode for big feature changes, to confirm that I've asked for what I want in the right way. I tend to prompt casually, with only a few specific details. Plan mode helps me see the whole picture before committing. In a few cases, it also helped me decide the feature I asked for was wrong.

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I don't use Plan mode because I plan out work with a ticket based approach (that also works as a memory store), but I wish there were some kind of Plan mode like harness feature to try as hard as possible to stop it from beginning to code. With the newer models, I have started to have a lot of trouble with them proceeding through the QA with me where I scope out the work and refine requirements and then immediately begin to do the work rather than either making tickets or giving me the full plan to thumbs up like I tell them to do.

So it sounds like we use it somewhat similarly, just taking a glance at it before the work starts, and that's becoming harder to do in my experience. It is important because problems with the overall plan or strategy end up magnified the further you proceed with development.

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I realize there are already a ton of comments, but I think you're missing the idea of _precision_.

Most people aren't precise when initially describing their problem.

Jumping straight into implementation skips the part where we refine and better define what it is we're trying to do, and think through the implications of those changes.

I suspect "trusting the model" doesn't really work at scale with finite resources.

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Fascinating! I literally never use Claude without plan mode and I find it's basically useless without it, constantly wasting tokens going in circles on irrelevant things. Fable or Opus. I feel like neither has a good sense for how to architect things and if I don't use plan mode it usually wastes hours of time chasing it's tail or implementing kludges on kludges to get something working that would be a much simple fix elsewhere, especially when working on a larger codebase.
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Hence why the Anthropic employee is telling you to not use it and just aimlessly throw tokens at a wall. It'll eventually get you there, sure, and consume more tokens. This sounds absurd, but trust that Anthropic (and any large company) is hyper aware of how customer behavior impacts their revenue, and they certainly will try to steer you into behavior that increases revenue.

Also this is a way less removed process that I want nothing to do with. The more removed I am from the process the more I hate my job, get burned out and genuinely wish that Anthropic never existed.

Even if it could "just know" or infer my intent. It wouldnt be desirable.

Edit: Oh yeah its Boris, hes one or the most disengenous shovel sellers on earth right now.

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So you think telling a model once to "do not write code, just plan" vs having an enum that causes that same text to be added to each message will somehow waste tokens and will surely make anthropic much better off..
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It must be fun to see everything as a conspiracy.

The Anthropic employee literally told you plan mode is a "we're still planning!!!" at the end of the prompt. Plan mode is useless because you can literally type "dont write code yet" and get the same effect, not because you should never plan in general.

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I mean if you want it to plan something without writing code first you literally just need to ask it to plan out the implementation first it's not exactly a difficult concept
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So my Claude Code workflow for a ticket is:

* Scoping discussion - do research and figure out approach (auto mode)

* Planning - take the scoping and convert it to a concrete plan for review (plan mode)

* Implementation - put the plan into action (auto mode)

I find this works really well for my workflow, and it is really easy to trigger each phase because the model has clean boundaries. (This workflow is articulated in my user CLAUDE.md) Plan mode is still useful to me as it forces the model to double-check its plans (I find even with Opus 5.5 it still discovers gaps), and it gives me an opportunity to clear context at a really good spot.

So I would still consider plan mode to be useful. It would make me sad to see it go.

PS- I have a Claude Marketplace directory submission for an MCP server that has been sitting in review hell for six(!) months. I've never received any outcome other than "In Review". I hope I'm not asking too much but would it be possible to put me in touch with someone who might be able to help here. Nobody has ever replied to messages sent to mcp-review@anthropic or the "Anthony at Platform Operations" inquiring about status, and we are getting frustrated

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(Disclaimer, I work at github)

I tried plan mode when we first added it to github copilot and it didn’t stick for me, until very recently, when I used it the way you describe. I was just putting it too early in the process, turns out I have to do a bit of exploration and discovery on my own and most of the time I can skip plan but now I have an intuition for when to engage it so it can interview me to clarify the last few things it needs before implementation. This also made autopilot mode work a lot better for me.

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hi I’m the author of the post. I think that’s basically the distinction I’m trying to make.

Historically, plan mode served two different roles:

1. making the agent’s instructions precise enough to execute 2. helping the human understand what was about to happen

I think #1 is less necessary as agents get better. #2 is going the other direction, it becomes more important as the model is able to do more on its own because larger chunks of work are happening with increasing complexity.

Where I’ve changed my mind is the interface for #2. I increasingly think an interactive, iterative workflow is closer to how people actually build understanding than being handed a long generated document, especially one they didn’t author themselves.

The human-understanding problem is very real though

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Awesome blog. You're a good writer. I enjoyed seeing your article on AI in 2018. Thank you for sharing your expertise.

Also I hope your delivery goes well. My wife (and co-founder) had a challenging delivery and it really put life in to perspective for both of us on a range of issues (how much women's pain is minimized in the health system requiring stronger personal advocacy than I would ever have expected).

As far as plan mode, I still find it essential in keeping agents on track. I build propelcode.app and have a variation on plan mode I still find useful, happy to trade notes on agentic coding if youre interested.

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Thank you! Baby was born in July, but we are actually back in the ER right now because she’s struggling :(

Propelcode looks awesome! So cool to see different people and perspectives shaping this space.

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I'm not the person who responded to you but I hope they're able to help her and she's okay.

And thank you for the article - it was a good read. I still see folks in my org playing "throw spaghetti at the wall and see what works" and getting frustrated so plan mode (mostly point 2) has been their guardrails almost as much as for the AI.

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Did you just invent "agile" maybe. ;)

Can't help but think "Doesn't matter if a machine or a human with (even slightly) different background wrote it", maximizing information flow is maximizing common assumptions and "culture" to only have to communicate a small set of current information for the task at hand. Being a team means having built a joint context so to say. This has always been the purpose of design documents and they always were too big or too small. Because you did not write them, but the others. If you only produce code you think they are the past and useless. If you iterate and your team grows, you start seeing the value in always current docs that are containing just what is not in your everyday culture.

All the best for you and your growing family. I had a similar experience recalibrating my values...

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I've had Claude generate me videos of before & after to better convey new features or bugfixes, that's been quite helpful.

In case anyone else is interested, the skill is public: https://github.com/Mudlet/Mudlet/blob/development/docs/demo-...

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you must have tokens to burn.
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> In Claude Code, all plan mode does is add a little reminder to every user message

I was quite surprised when I learned this (when Claude Code edited a file despite being in plan mode). I had previously assumed "plan mode" was a harness level concern, and restricted what tools could be used. I didn't expect that it was simply an addendum to the prompt.

But I think it gave me some good insight into where the heads are at of Anthropic employees building this. Basically, leaning on pushing everything to the model. That's why alignment is so important: a "sufficiently advanced" model doesn't require any tooling infrastructure around it, and I suppose Claude Code devs are targeting that future. I had previously thought there was more to a harness, but with "auto" mode these days, it seems like there's no desire to build in that direction.

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If you want to see an even more heavy/"extreme" example of this, there was this HN post & blog some months ago on Claude Design.

Basically, Claude Design is primarily a huge prompt.

That's all.

There's no "magic sauce", and with the right tools to call, even your local LLM can implement "Qwen Design".

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It seems unsurprising that if your definition of "plan mode" is as tiny as appending "but don't write code yet", that it would not be that useful for that long. There have to be more sophisticated versions of what "plan mode" means out there.

Also if you are working in a heavily vibe-coded codebase, as Claude Code reportedly is, it's not that surprising if the human doesn't really understand it or have anything useful to add in a collaborative context.

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GitHub Copilot for VS Code by default configures "Plan" mode to disable everything except reading, asking the user questions, and writing into the memory scratchpad. Claude Code's tool system feels quite rudimentary in comparison, but that's what you get I guess when you're only working with models you're going to finetune on being able to handle specifically your own tools anyway.
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Good to hear, this is my experience also:

I haven't reached for Plan Mode in awhile--maybe, on some blank folder/canvas and I just want that cute "questionnaire" DX to get me going...

But on the whole, CC is smart enough to know when to "rush off and act" and when to "pushback", which is great--and it's no big deal to tell it to pause/stop by adding "what's your thoughts?" or "feel free to pushback" etc to my prompts to make it start a back-and-forth with me (the fact that you say that Plan Mode was really nothing more than a prompt anyways is reassuring).

And yeah, when you're deep in the weeds, you could (and can!) have multiple threads of thought/work going on in the same convo, that stopping and starting a plan in Plan Mode seems like a regression.

(happily using Claude Code Opus 5.5 on High rn)

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I disagree with the assertion that the model gets it. Here’s a practical example I just tried with Fable 5.1. I gave it this prompt: “Write a Go function that can be used to establish secure communication to a remote system using a certificate. Keep it short, single function, and explain how to use it.” The output forced the use of a private key stored in a file even though that wasn’t specified anywhere as a requirement. The function Claude wrote takes a private key file argument and calls a Golang function that requires a private key file (tls.LoadX509KeyPair) even though Go has crypto.Signer which could support private keys in various other manifestations like HSM or KMS. I argue that a person who “gets it” (or who is reasonably experienced in security) would have opted for not requiring private key material for this to work.

For the record, this isn’t unique to Claude. ChatGPT and Gemini do the same, each with its own quirks. ChatGPT got extra credit for being the only one who allowed the function to also take a CA file for server authentication.

Don’t get me wrong: LLMs are the future (maybe even the present) of software development but I think there’s some way to go before they can be entirely hands-off in some areas. I still find myself having to course correct designs and plan mode helps me with that.

And of course, thank you for your work on Claude. :)

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I'm hoping that by "gets it," he meant that if you start a discussion about the design, it doesn't misunderstand and immediately go off to do the work. Some models tend to do this.
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Whether or not a distinct "plan mode" is needed, upfront planning remains essential in my experience, even with Fable (albeit not the 5.1 version). I agree that, as the models get better, you can skip planning on increasingly complicated tasks.

But there is still a ceiling above which it is necessary to "preload" the context window before starting to call tools and get into the meat of the work. You want to establish domain language (especially with Claude models which otherwise will invent their own, and it will be inscrutable) and key requirements and assumptions. You want to do a Q&A iteration cycle with the LLM. You definitely should do a sanity check that the LLM actually "understands" what you were trying to achieve, and then make sure that understanding is coherently and plainly stated in the prompt. All of that seems to be necessary still for just about any serious task, if you actually care about the quality of the results and/or don't want to burn hundreds of thousands of tokens on flailing around to get to a good quality result.

So no, you don't "need" plan mode. But you do still need to do all of the things you would do with plan mode.

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But in your example you never even asked it to plan so you could check the implementation before writing it you just asked it to write it directly, so this isn't even a comparison to plan mode
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This is a pretty obscure and in-the-weeds benchmark, but to me the models’ interpretation feels quite reasonable.
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Apologies, I didn’t mean to imply it’s a benchmark, I just wanted to provide a reproducible example of where I see models make decisions that seem to be fine initially but might paint the software architecture into a challenging corner. I don’t expect models to read my mind, but I do see them produce a lot of verbose output, none of which is used to say “here’s a simple response to your ask, but have you also considered...”
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It's obscure to use common functions from the standard library?
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It’s just an odd way to judge whether an entire model “gets it” in my opinion. There are so many variables.
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I think knowing which models use the standard library and which ones pull in dependencies as highly useful. As a dev I've always favored staying as close to the standard library as possible as it makes refactoring, understanding, and deletion much easier. Not everyone has the same preferences as you, it's nice to understand what matters for others too.
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It can't read your mind that you have an HSM, can it?
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I get the idea here, but I find planning very useful as a phase when I'm doing things I am not intimately familiar with (e.g. AppKit programming).

That's when I need to learn about implied patterns, do's and don'ts; not from theory but in the context of my own project. Unfortunately, the model tends to keep implicit knowledge implicit. But I can ask during planning.

The feature did get less useful over time when the model started babbling in newspeak more and more. When it threw a thousand words at me even in concise mode.

So I don't want to let the toolmakers off the hook here. There's a lot to win that would make plan mode much much better without changing plan mode itself.

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You can still do planning as a phase without using an official plan mode you literally just ask it to plan first...
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> plan mode was useful, and is no longer useful.

> In Claude Code, all plan mode does is add a little reminder to every user message along the lines of “you’re in plan mode, please don’t code yet"

Can't help but think if plan mode isn't useful as you say because it's implementation is lacking in claude code, hypothetically speaking.

What I can say is that with other harnesses plan mode helps stabilize my workflows. Actually synthesizing code is only part of the process, lots involved in taking a work-item to production end-to-end and plan mode helps give this flow structure. More than that it's an opportunity to regroup before committing to changes. It slows down the process to a rythim that's sustainable and smooth, which ends up speeding up the process.

So if plan mode in claude was designed to speed up code churn, while oh my pi for instance designed plan mode to be strategic, that might account for the different perceptions here.

And it's not to say you should force yourself to use it, but if you are planning on cutting this mode off the loop just beware of the possible side effects.

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Well that explains why I was able to coax it to partially execute on some things without actually exiting plan mode.
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To be honest the new behavior is convenient when I just say "X is broken, please fix". But I find myself more and more adding "please do not do anything yet, just tell me what you would do" and please feel free to ask if anything is unclear", especially if is making decisions that are a fork in the road.

I would really like a dry run mode that just disables all external commands from the outside so Claude doesn't proactively go about changing things.

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What I do nowadays, for large changes, is have Fable create a HTML explainer for what we're gonna do with code snippets, which is not that fat from plan mode only much more convenient for me and modern models have no issue using that HTML artifact as the source of truth, and then before I get into execution - I interactively build an end to end test that also includes pieces of the plan.

When a test case fails, the relevant part of the plan is surfaced in the error. I find this helps Claude stay on track for longer - I've been able to do 12h most times and even up to 48h unattended (11h of API time) with good results.

Then whenever I do check in, I ask it to update the HTML with current state in an append only fashion (sort of like it's writing a blog), and then based on that, we iterate on the end to end test (I think of it as a "test harness") - update the test cases and error messages.

I've been able to build some truly large projects this way, both greenfield and up to spec (for example, a video game I've always wanted to play), and brownfield while staying within the conventions and design of the codebase, and with very little attention required on my part.

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I would have agreed a few months ago before opus 5 but I'm back to plan mode and lots of the old tricks trying to get that insolent model to follow instructions. 5.5 so far is better but certainly doesn't feel under my control (had it go off and read other repos and make changes just yesterday while in "plan mode").
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> plan mode has always been a prompt — it has never changed the toolset because doing so would break the prompt cache, and so would be expensive

seems like plan mode could turn off some tools, even if it doesn't change the set offered to the model, the ones that they have which would mutate your codebase could just not work with an error message, and plan mode could change permissions in the security approval prompt for "auto"

anyway, isnt the right way to know if plan mode helps or not, to run an experiment? we're all guessing unless we have data

read only agent mode sounds straightforward and useful to me

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for me it basically all boils down to:

1. I dont want to have to accept every time Claude touches our DB

2. I'm scared out of my mind it might do something bad to the DB

Plan mode gives me enough confidence that it wont do (2) --> allowing me to give it enough permissions to do (1)

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Oh gods, I don't give it write access to my actual DB.

For my small-scale sqlite dB, it gets read access, and I encourage it to test modifications by copying it somewhere and writing into that.

Scale-dependent, but I hope to not have to work at a scale where it gets write access to the production DB. That just seems like asking for trouble.

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FYI I had Clod attempt to corrupt a prod db the other day. (Opus 5)

I was experimenting with a rather complicated backfill operation, were I had a validation script I understand and have Clod come up with the backfill script. I was running against a local prod copy, and it proposed running the actual (unfinished) backfill script against prod.

It didn't have access to the secrets and I also caught the command, but a good reminder that this stuff needs guardrails.

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yeah that's crazy. its so good 99% of the time but I've seen it have some insane hallucinations before (as late as Fable... cant remember if it was Fable 5 or Fable 5.1).

Hallucination not a big deal when it's on the surface layer. But I can't imagine the damage it could do if it hallucinated while building/validating a "load-bearing" component and then continued down that path

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Make a db replica or just a db user account with readonly permissions, and have only those in your env, or docs accessible to agent. It's liberating.
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Do you mean when you're making changes to a production DB?
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yeah (at an early stage data-focused startup). I think when our product is a bit more mature we'd probably have a staging tier with full access and then manually promote builds / DB changes to prod. So many things to build lol

we DO daily snapshotting, so the risk is limited... but still spooks me

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> data-focused startup

What could possibly go wrong with building a data-focused company on a foundation of violating the most fundamental precepts of data management

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Write schema/data migration files [with agents] in version control and deploy those deterministically (after review).
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Early versions of plan mode would erase the chat history and present the plan as the start of a new session when you approved it.

I miss that. It worked really well, and it kept the context clean.

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In my experience, around the time the author describes as starting to not need plan mode is when erasing the chat history became an anti-feature. I found the agents were doing better when they had the context already, and with the history I no longer needed to micro-manage persisting various caveats and rejections to the plan artifact. The amount of prompt construction necessary went down overall.
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By the time my plan’s done I’m usually between 200 and 350k context. Even if keeping that around gives a performance bump for the implementation (which I haven’t noticed to be the case) it balloons the cost. I would much rather put everything in a plan file and start fresh.

Plus, I usually plan with a more expensive model and guide implementation with a cheaper model (with smaller validation calls back to a more expensive model)

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that still essentially works. ask it to write a plan doc to a file. then when you're ready to implement, start a new session with a prompt to review the plan doc and then start building.
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thats a feature flag you can gurn on still
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I am not seeing this and I’m wondering why. Maybe how I plan is different then you? Maybe what we each mean by plan is different? Maybe you trained yourself to write more effective prompts than old you? Maybe the problems you’re solving don’t need planning and the problems I’m solving do? Maybe I’m pickier about solutions?
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Plan mode was great, but I realized I progressed well beyond it. I found that I was getting these categories repeated errors and oversights from Claude (and frankly it hasn't gotten much better about this). Skills were too generic and got lost to context.

I ended up building out tool an MCP server that I use as a bit of a psuedo harness for Claude. I have a variety of multi-step workflows that are basically micro-skills stacked on top of each other. This helps me make sure that I can get Claude to think in a repeatable and reliable manner.

For coding, I've found that I have a few specific steps that Claude needs to do before I'm comfortable letting it loose:

* It must extensively explore the code base (including certain areas that it misses)

* It must think about what it doesn't know or is making assumptions about

* It MUST scaffold out it's intentions. Essentially, it can write comments, classes, and method stubs - but no actual content. Very much like a spec, but since it's in and alongside other code, it's much easier to identify problems.

* It must spike and validate key assumptions. This, plus the prior step, are the only way I've figured out how to avoid it ending up in a confusion loop. Too often it looks at poor-quality code it's written and thinks it's a long-term solution. By avoiding writing code as much as possible, it knows that it's draft content.

* Only, then can I review it and send it it.

Said MCP server (missing the actual ops): https://github.com/clops-mcp/clops-mcp

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Yeah I think this is a natural consequence of longer task horizons. When I was chaining 4h tasks, I can mostly plan them up front.

Now that I’m frequently designing and delegating day/week scale features, the flow has to change; having the agent go off and build a spike can be a quicker way of us understanding the design space and constraints (especially in a huge codebase). I still have the agent write and update a spec doc as I go, but it’s not waterfall anymore.

At least for my kinesthetic learning mode a rough code PR stack is usually way better than a plan doc anyway, and tokens are cheap enough (vs my time) that going further than just a plan is often cost-effective overall.

The dream of course is (say it with me) loops, but that doesn’t tend to work for me on new features often.

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I frequently ask claude to write and review org-mode files. I've found it useful to maintain knowledge decisions both for claude and myself. Less so for other members of my team who wont use emacs or (n)vim. But thought I'd share.
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Honestly I don't agree with this. A few reasons why I feel like I will always want a plan mode:

1. I want to know whats going to happen, at least at a high level, before changes are actually made. 2. Plan mode helps me flesh out the missing details of my plan before being mid-execution 3. In situations where I have a limited budget for AI usage I will often times use a high powered model like Opus 5.5 or Fable to make a detailed plan, then scale down to a cheaper model for implementation. I feel like this saves cost in the end.

I get plan mode is basically just a small hidden prompt. I get that I can basically just preface my prompts with "make a plan only, don't make actual changes." Maybe this is just a UX trick, but it works well for my brain.

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Plan mode is what makes it easy for me to update my mental model of the codebase, and helps me decide if the mental overhead of all the changes that are needed are even worth doing, which are now the biggest limiting factors (reading the code diffs just doesn’t scale anymore).
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> It’s something I came up with late on a Sunday night many months ago

Aider, Cline and many other agents had plan mode before Claude Code existed.

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What, are you suggesting that there were people already successfully doing agentic coding in CLI harnesses with a good number of features before November 2025, the moment HN collectively deciding that it was now "good enough", if using "Opus on Claude Code"? Blasphemy!
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I'm not an Anthropic model user, and the true frontier of the frontiers is beyond my budget. Maybe it's better in the rarefied atmosphere of Astra, Fable and Opus 5.5?

But with GPT 5.6 Sol, I'm still finding that the model makes conceptual mistakes, or gets edge cases wrong, or assumes incorrectly (making an ass out of both user and model). In many cases, I need to at least refine the proposed approach, or amend, correct, or flat out just stop and start over. Not planning and catching these errors, and just letting the agents code their code, would mean I'd have to rollback and redo many times. What a waste!

For a current project, which is ~33k lines of code, I'm also finding that I know the codebase better than the model, and that's vital at the planning stages too. If I wasn't in the planning loop, the model would have reinvented various wheels a few times over. How much spaghetti do you want with your code?

As always, I may simply be doing this wrong. But I'm personally not convinced that the plan is dead, or that I want the plan to be dead. Planning is also good for me -- it keeps me thinking about the code, prompting better, guiding the model better.

If I'm no longer on top of the codebase, then at some point my prompts will devolve to "Do the thing with the thing, that does thing". And I don't want that.

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Agree, and for me I feel like I often have more implicit intentions than I write in a prompt. A plan helps me verify whether an agent gets these right or not. Plus, it highlights tradeoffs I might've not thought about. Removing both feels like lowering a quality bar.

On the other hand, for a low effort hobby project: just do the thing.

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It is absolutely true that Opus 5.5 just ‘gets it’ far more often than gpt-5.6-sol, which is more like an idiot savant. It can nearly always do what you ask it to, but that might not be what you want.
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Yer, it’s probably best to face reality and understand that for actual software engineering / complex coding work - Anthropic models are way ahead of OpenAIs…
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> planning had become interactive and iterative

I find myself endlessly ctrl+c ing claude now as it flies off doing deep first principles analysis to work out how to find a thing it isn't sure about but I know the answer. Being able to give it that answer without needing to ctrl c would be a massive improvement

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what worked for me is a frontend driving the agent, capturing every user message, every commit, every pull request, putting them in a graph (uses a frontend because I didn't want to load a coding agent with tools + responsibility of book keeping) and the agent get tools to search reason behind code changes and see the high quality user input underneath instead of the sloppy self written justifications
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I don't really use plan mode, but I do have Fable write a lot of docs, particularly when the work involved is long and multistep, because I may need to do it across multiple sessions.
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Oh I thought it blocked tool calls like editing files...

You don't need to actually change the tool schema or break the prompt cache to do that. In the tool itself you could just check if it's in plan mode and reject the tool call...

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As someone that never used the built-in plan mode, but did use a lot of spec-driven development, I’m still finding that even with Fable having “plan” docs is still quite helpful.

They’re most useful for broad changes (new features, refactors, etc.) where it’s helpful to avoid breaking changes or unnecessary scope expansion.

The new models are great, but they do more by default, which means I’m finding myself explaining what _not_ to do more often than with previous models (where they’d often end too early).

In my case, the previous plan mode was too ephemeral, and I like having one source of “truth” that sits across context windows without loss/compaction.

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I like plan mode personally. I only use claude code for the web, and the questions claude asks me to clarify are usually pretty important - mostly because I was too vague or contradictory in my prompt, or what I was asking for conflicted with something else in the code. I don't know how claude would resolve that without plan mode.

Also for session planning, as in when-can-I-walk-away-from-computer, its nice to know the particular rhythm of initial crunch - ask questions - make plan - do it. Especially with a 5 minute cache timeout.

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I created a skill "feasibility", which is basically "evaluate feasibility of this idea and propose solution options". So I can check that Claude's idea of how to implement the requirement is close enough to my own before it starts working. It is a lot more lightweight than plan mode, because the skill says not to build a detailed plan, just a high-level summary.
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I was thinking of making (locally) an “artifact mode” along those same lines. It’s a much better way to see proposed changes
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My team has been struggling to understand whether or not we should do "spec-driven" development or not. It makes a lot of sense to me to have one developer iterate with the model/harness to generate a markddown document that is a high-level of what will be implemented, and then have the team PR review it before and agent attempts to do the actual implementation work. Do you think this is a good practice?
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I specifically work in tooling now, so this probably applies more to that domain than some others, but I find 'very up-front spec-driven development' unappealing for that kind of work.

I'm experimenting just like everyone else, but this is my process right now:

- Quick prototype

- Figure out the language of your app (what terms you want to use for things, what your UI design language will be, etc) and spec that, so you can use words consistently with the agent. You need to be able to describe the things you want well and consistently.

- Keep prototyping. Let the agent write unit tests along the way. Lock down behaviour you like, keep track of those things in a document.

- At some point your idea of the real architecture comes into focus, from actual use cases -- avoids the over-abstracting right away trap.

- Refactoring is cheap with tests, so start refactoring into the architecture you want.

- Your architecture won't necessarily be what would be best for a human, but it will be pretty close.

- Keep relentlessly iterating on small work.

- Things that were expensive before aren't that expensive now -- integrating a library, changing from one library to another, trying out a few architectural refactors, trying out different performance optimizations, etc. That stuff is all 'throw it there and see what sticks' now, so don't be afraid to try stuff which felt big before.

I feel like 'front loading' too much is just the wrong approach. You might feel like you're sitting there 'babysitting the agent'; but that's just what the hard part of the work (hard as in 'zjust slogging through it', not as in 'conceptually complex') looks like now. Your code is much more like clay.

Atleast that's how I'm thinking about it so far, but I'm not working on large sprawling systems that I imagine would need more pre-planning.

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I have found it doesn't see me any direct time. I either iterate ruthlessly on the spec or on the implementation.

I find that the code is generally in a better place proportionate to the amount of SDD I actually do. But it's just a matter of where and when I want to spend my time.

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I believe spec driven design is a good way to go. But that means keeping all your specs either in the repo (if you want the agent to be able to edit them) or available via for example MCP (if you think only humans should be able to edit them and you got some type of external documentation system keeping specs).

But given that running an agent us cheaper than the cost of waiting for a slot to assemble the team to talk about a change (isn’t it always?), why wait with running the agent?

I propose updating the spec then do the implementation. This will most likely show that a few assumptions were wrong forcing some major or minor updates to the spec. Work through those and then let your team review the spec change together with testing the next iteration of what what’s build.

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SDD is good. It's a lot faster and cheaper to have an agent polish a spec, than refactor code. The implementation can then be verified against the spec artifact, and any drift can feed back into process improvements for future specs.
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> Do you think this is a good practice?

For who? The more control you hand over to the AI and let it think for you with no supervision, the better it is for Anthropic

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I m a bit surprised by this as - during the last 2 months - I 've encountered more often models going ahead of what I have asked from them. It's gotten so annoying that now instead of just saying "Let's plan X" I will also say, "Stop once you 've written the plan." because otherwise there is a distinct (~35% anecdotally) probability that the model will go ahead and implementing the plan as well. [This applies to both Anthropic and OpenAI models btw.]

Plan mode is a useful shortcut when I want to have an agent do read-only work without having to worry about giving it appropriate stop conditions.

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I keep forgetting that CC has access to the "question" tool, even outside plan mode, which is mostly why I still use it sometimes. This isn't (or wasn't until recently) the case for Codex.
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Thanks for the context, and makes sense a lot. That’s my primary reason to use plan mode.

However how about decisions? Do we expect the model to read our minds, just assume the best practice will be followed and that’s what the user want? Plan mode solves those, what is that am I missing?

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I urge you to have a look at tools like tuicr and hunk. It’s a missing component in the chat. I really want a proper chat interface, leave comments on the code and have them replied to. No clue how to implant it tho, it’s a hard UX problem IMO
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Recently I started using pi as a harness and its flexibility has really changed the way I think about UI into agents. It feels like I took the red pill and have been liberated from the prescriptive nature of CC or codex. Instead of getting told here’s how you should approach ___, I pay much more attention to my workflows and when I feel friction I make the harness adapt and smooth it out.

For example, there are no shortage of web based uis for pi and they are all cool but I wanted a deep integration between artifacts and how I want to collaborate with the agent on them. So i built my own ui that mirrors what the pi tui sees. It’s chat based but has a deep integration with a GitHub style code review UI so I can leave review and comments whenever I want. Every agent message renders nicely in an annotatable markdown viewer so I don’t need an ask question tool and can more naturally get the agent on the same page as me. I want it to feel like I’m working with a colleague.

I don’t think these features are too unique but having full control over the experience is really nice. Flexibility over model provider, can tailor it to my work’s dev stack, and don’t need to worry about anyone breaking it with a million updates everyday.

Your perfect workflow can be realized in a day or so. You just need to go make it happen.

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I also didn't like the chat TUI for back and forth on things, especially on long markdown files where I felt like I needed to copy a line to comment on it. I wonder if LLM companies would rather skip a step and aim for a world where most people one-shot things, which sounds much more impressive.

I've been building https://crit.md to keep that back and forth with agents - GitHub-esque interface and have agents respond to my feedback, iterating until I'm happy.

Admittedly like many others, I use it a lot less for actual plans now, models are indeed getting really good at just getting it.

I wodner what this product space will look like a year from now. Reviews are already dying.

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I just tell Claude to write an md file and do research first anyway… makes sense
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I always append something along the lines of “evaluate”, “investigate” or “report only” to my prompts when I want to see what the agent is gonna do. Because especially with the new models they tend to go easily off rail and do stuff I didn’t ask. To say that they just “get it” is highly dependent on the task, scope and blast radius.
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> it has never changed the toolset because doing so would break the prompt cache, and so would be expensive for users.

It could still make the tools into no-ops or disabled if it actually tries to use them, without changing the context history at all.

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Yeah, as a user I came to the same conclusion as I naturally used plan mode less and less over time.

I still use plan mode in Astra to come up with a plan that I then feed into Fable. I feel like OpenAI models still do better big picture investigation and planning, while Claude is the better software engineer, if that makes any sense.

Of course this could well come down to my own biases and the specific things I’m working on.

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Reading the replies, it's interesting how idiomatic everything is, eh? We must all opine about our specific setups, panes, prompts, and how they're the true way, or the true alternative to plan mode.
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I’m always telling the model “don’t write code yet” so I maybe ill try plan mode if it’s just a prompt change
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I really wonder what I’m missing because my general rule to plan first unless explicitly instructed works perfectly fine with all models I use.

“I want to ...” / “Let’s ...” -> Plan

“Do X” -> Actually Act.

But then again I also have it configured to only ever answer questions instead of inferring them to be instructions (which I’ve seen others do differently).

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that's the problem though: - LLM now output good enough results without a plan.. for coding at least. I'm not saying amazing results..just good enough. it works fine.

- Most people suck at planning anyway

- LLM still don't give you a way to verify and understand to iterate.. you have to ask and then formulate and way so people barely do it, they just trust the vibe

IMO the current successor to plan mode should be the harness knowing when to tell the use "ok here's our overall current state in a simple diagram", auromatically

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except the fact that claude code in plan mode does destructive operations, requiring a hook to tell it not to do stupid things, so its not really a "read only" or "dont code yet" tool, imho.
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I think over time more and more will be peeled back to just the model and markdown. I have a beautiful factory running with key personas all it is is a few markdown files it is building a mac app fantastically well.

https://innerloop.test/breadcrumb (for reference)

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Good old "Check out my new awesome app: http://localhost:3000"

Is this what happens when you vibe code long enough?

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Perhaps not that fantastically given the url doesn't load. :)
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So planning mode is dead, long live planning?
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Hi, thanks for Claude Code. I use it, and it works well. Have you considered changing it so the text comes down from the top of the screen, in green, like The Matrix?
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> so I can better understand the change and alternatives considered. I don’t do this very often,

# YOLO mode

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It’s been like that with me in Grok 4.6 for the last couple of months as well.

I just start my day writing about 20 queues /goal prompts and then check the work at the end of the day. It’s almost always right!

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Btw random question about Claude Code. Is it just me, or has it become a lot slower in the last 2-3 months? I am on Fable but also latest Opus.
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For me its like a dry-run.
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I use plan mode, because my current project benefits from "pair programming."

I have one session define a task, and provide a formal specification plus context in a "cover letter."

The session B, in plan mode, produces the plan back.

Session one reviews the plan and clears it, ratifying portions and often specifying specific changes.

Session one then executes.

What has been striking to me in this approach is that even with two instances of the same model (currently Opus 5.5), there are regularly corrections made. I use "project chat" for session A and Code for session B atm; it is very typical that Code finds and corrects details or oversights in the task spec; it is also typical (though less so with 5.5) that session A (chat) pushes back or clarifies things Code doesn't have the context for.

I have been afraid to open up the potential of negotiation beyond what this is costing as it is. But I am also afraid to simply skip the formalisms, because of the consistent correction that occurs in this back-and-forth.

Each component of the pattern is schematized, generated from a template, and validated, to keep things tight.

Lots of tokens! But I trust this process far more than "just typing" :)

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As a long time user of Claude Code, I've just naturally stopped using it because the model figures it out, and i prompt it accordingly like 'come up with a plan'. Glad to see your experience matches
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I ask Codex (I am not using Anthropic anymore) to always generate a plan file first, unless explicitly told otherwise.

I also tell it to write deviations and rename plans accordingly once done.

That way I keep the codebases I have to or enjoy to work on in my head and don't become too dependant on any provider or on stochastic parrots in general.

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Plan mode still earns its keep when the blast radius is high.

For a one-file change I don’t bother. For anything that touches auth, payments, or a shared schema I still want the plan written down first — not because the model can’t figure it out, but because I need a moment where I can still say “no” before it starts editing.

The mode was never really about making the model smarter. It was about making the human stop and look.

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Now if only the human would write its own comment.
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…did Opus 5 write this?

I’ve heard “earns its keep” in only two contexts in my life - the intro to the song “Regulate” and terrible Claude docs

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Perhaps it depends on where you live? It is a common enough term in parts of England
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It is 100% Claude
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> I work on Claude Code

So basically you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Not everyone is employed to burn money.

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