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I feel like it's also crazy irresponsible to sell this deathtrap to the public, since it's pretty much guaranteed buyers will joyride this on public roads.

- The cold-gas only version will shotgun debris into onlookers, and possibly yeet anyone behind it.

- Active suction is very cool until a rock punches through your intakes.

- Lithium batteries and pressurised tanks in the same package, yippee!

Thank god it'll take them years to manufacture this thing.

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It isn't being sold to the public. Of the three versions, the one that is "road ready" doesn't have the gimmicky thrusters. The one that is displayed is available by invite only, and even if you have a quarter of a million to reserve the racing model, you aren't likely to get a license plate for use on public roads.
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They're not selling this to the public.

They'll make a handful that a select few billionaires will get to keep in a hanger somewhere for bragging rights.

There's a reason we don't see a driver in these demos and they don't do anything beyond very choreographed stunts. There's no way a human can actually control those thrusters in a way that doesn't kill you. Unless you're a fighter pilot.

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I agree with the first two points, but why do you think the thrusters have to be manually controlled? My expectation would be it'd just perform one of the pre-programmed tricks taking in the sensor data to adapt mid-way, the same way they do auto-landings in SpaceX (no one is controlling the landing booster manually, right?).
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Sorry, but "just use sensor data and do it like the spacex landings" is such a ridiculous hand-waving of the scope of the actual problem.
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Explain what you mean please. First, this is not going on a public road anytime ever, so in an unlikely event this product will actually see the light of day, it’s very likely that anyone who attempts this will do it on mostly static controlled circuit/pad. I don’t know how they did the demo, but I don’t see it as something outside of the realm of reality to calculate ‘kickflip’ on the fly using whatever sensors they put in this thing.

I wouldn’t want to sit in it tho (and I’m guessing no one in the demographic this will be sold to would want this level of risk either).

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> There's a reason we don't see a driver in these demos and they don't do anything beyond very choreographed stunts. There's no way a human can actually control those thrusters in a way that doesn't kill you. Unless you're a fighter pilot.

I'm not even sure if a fighter pilot could. The passenger compartment of the "Rocket" model is probably packed full of tanks and other equipment, to deliver total of a few seconds of flight time. Doing anything in the air would probably require such precise timing no person could do manually, and it probably can't even be done automatically outside very controlled conditions.

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The demo literally has it flying without a pilot controlling it. There's not going to be like 8 joysticks that a driver has to use at once to make it fly
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No kidding. Musk is SIX YEARS late on delivering the previous version of the roadster, which has been superseded by today's announcement, promising its delivery in a few years, and everyone is just lappin' it up.
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Who cares about six years, thats the past.

When you were a kid, if you saw a car fly and flip you would be amazed. You are old and jaded like me so nothing gives you wonder anymore.

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The people lapping it up aren't prospective customers, they're just people enjoying the spectacle.
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Well we could examine the history here, for instance when he bought Twitter that it would immediately collapse (now its more popular than ever and Bluesky is the one that's falling apart) and when the Cybertruck was announced there were lots of people saying it could never be made: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21602437
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You forgot about how everyone was insisting the Hyperloop would never work and then it became the principal mode of transportation. Or how we couldn't possibly have a Mars colony in 2024. Or how twitter would never become the West's everything app. Etc.
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Elon Musk causes incredible amounts of historical non-examination. There are now so many examples that it's actually difficult to list them all. My guess is that people just get very confused by the difference between late delivery and non-delivery.
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It’s crazy how many Cybertrucks I see in my hometown, and I don’t live in that big of a city. They are incredibly popular. This car will be incredibly popular to. Peoples are getting bent out of shape about the “thrust” and “rocket” variants, but who cares? Those will be few and far between. For rich collectors mostly. How about just the base model? It looks wild, I’m sure it will be fun as hell to drive. They are going to sell a ton of these things.
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Cybertrucks objectively missed sales expectations by a lot. The numbers are well-documented.

The Mitsubishi Outlander outsells it.

I can’t imagine a car without a steering wheel benign fun to drive. Tesla has never been known for handling and driving dynamics.

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The 3 handles quite nicely, I'd compare the performance model favorably to any BMW M3.
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I have never heard any serious automotive journalist come up with that sort of comparison.

Numb steering, crashy handling, that’s what the gearheads seem to say about Tesla vehicles.

They go fast but they are absolutely not at the top of the class for driving dynamics.

I’ve test driven a Model Y Performance and the steering was lighter and more numb than my basic economy car. The car goes fast but that’s all it does.

If the roadster has drive by wire like the cybertruck that’s going to be even worse.

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Maybe if you don't like driving? It's really a solid car. Much better than the WRX, which is quite good. Make sure you set steering to low assist. The performance models in general are serious machines. Top of class in their price range by a long shot.
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Dude this is crazy, kind of embarrassing if I’ll be honest.

There is no universe in which I would compare any Tesla model to an M3 or WRX.

First of all we should consider that their direct competitor the Ioniq 5 N is a better performance car.

The M3 finishes Willow Springs faster than the Model 3, so we can’t even go by raw performance. In track conditions the battery thermals and stock tires on the Model 3 can’t keep up.

Comparing the emotions you’re going to get from a V8 gurgling and thrashing through gears compared to a silent EV motor is just not even in the same league. The Ioniq 5 N actually does something about that and reviewers are impressed. They directly state that it is more fun than Tesla performance models.

Then your other problem is that the Model 3 performance looks identical to your uber driver’s car. Someone dropping $60k on a performance car wants to feel special. The trim and upholstery options on the M3 alone are more exciting than the Model 3.

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> They are incredibly popular.

They sell 20k of them per year. It's the opposite of popular

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Did you read the post or just skim.

They ARE popular, I see 10-20 a day when I drive around. Now if you want to compare to a corolla, I don't care.

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> They ARE popular, I see 10-20 a day when I drive around.

They're distinctive.

Count Corollas for a day. You can probably see 10-20 at once in some spots.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency_illusion

(When I got a Toyota Echo back in the early 2000s, I suddenly saw them everywhere, too. And yet… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Platz#Sales)

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Also let’s talk about the production of the video. It had all the signs of those magic videos you can find on YouTube where the trick is only a camera trick. Dark background, you never see the entirety of the audience, it’s all camera cuts. I’m sure it’s not fake per say but it’s super weird still.
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Well I see no numbers saying how long it will fly. Perhaps it "hops", could easily see that happening with a burst of air below the car. (While standing still, accelerating the car upwards for 1 second with a burst of air)
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This is not flying, it's a semi-controlled crash landing.
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That doesn't seem like flying to me
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Would 12 seconds do?
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That's not flying, it's falling with style.
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> The thing that they showed off isn't something that they could legally sell

The cybertruck is for sale and FSD is active in the US. The US lets automakers "self-certify" that they are safe. So although I don't think this thing should ever be sold, it may end of on US roads.

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My big question is, would anyone want one? It's an interesting life size hotwheels car but who would want one other than to show at a monster truck rally. The original Tesla Roadster was a masterpiece compared to this new one. Talk about missing the mark by a mile...
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> who would want one

The Tumbler? Oh, you wouldn't be interested in that.

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I suppose at least we can say there is a working car that seems to be able to actually do the things as advertised, which is more than one could ever say for e.g. the Moller Skycar.
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McMurtry Spéirling is 900 kg with 1000hp and 100KW battery and 2000 kg suction fan.

Flying / rocket acceleration are special versions they can sell one offs capable of doing the stunt once per canister change.

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That’s why it’s invite only.
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I was #12 Tesla Roadster owner. I spoke across the country with my father. We drove from coast to coast in 2014 at a time when there was a lot of doubt. — I supported elons “mission” and now we know it’s a neo Nazi front of a company. This company and Elon has been a scam since he stole JB Straubel. How do I know? JB Straubel is my father.
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I can't make soup of this. Your dad is a billionaire and you're left to fend for yourself? That's got to be some story.
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You didn’t read what I wrote.
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Elon is my dad and he could beat up your dad
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JB Straubel married in 2013. Unless you're 13 years old, JB Straubel isn't your father.

That kind of liar is what I would expect of someone who goes around claiming Elon's a Nazi though.

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Car isn’t flying
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They may well be lying but that ( "JB Straubel married in 2013" ) isn't remotely a sound argument against the "JB Straubel is my father" claim.

Straubel, in the year 2000 at the age of 25, may very well have had unprotected sex out of wedlock !!

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Neo Nazi? Seems a bit much.
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Everyone that went to the island is attracted to pre prepubescent children?

Is that your claim?

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He didn't even go to the island (or want to go to the island other than to have a party).
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> (or want to go to the island other than to have a party).

with the most notorious pedophile on earth?

> Virginia Giuffre alleged in a lawsuit that in the early 2000s, when she was 18, she participated in an orgy on the island with Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor and eight girls who "appeared to be under the age of 18" and did not speak English.

What exactly are you defending here?

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I'm defending facts, there was no pedophilia, prove it.
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> with the most notorious pedophile on earth?

Go look at the emails. It kinda shows Elon was clueless about what the island was about.

Also he wasn't notorious at the time.

> What exactly are you defending here?

Ah you're going to accuse me of defending pedophilia now? Figures with your type.

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He spent 18 months in jail in 2008 for "soliciting prostitution from a minor". If you associated with him after that date, you were ok with hanging out with a pedophile.
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> Everyone that went to the island is attracted to pre prepubescent children?

There's absolutely an argument to be made there but in this case it's a bit more specific.

Anyone that repeatedly emails the most notorious pedophile on earth, begging to be invited to the wildest party on their private island is absolutely a pedophile.

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If it talks about politics like a Nazi and salutes like a Nazi…
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Elon donates to white Christian fundamentalist. The largest donor in history to the Republican Party and does Nazi salutes.
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Flying is obviously a gimmick, but when Elon said this will crush all track records he wasn’t kidding.

The base model has the suction fans which will make huge gains.

Next model up has rear thrusters for the acceleration, which will be more insane. It’s limited production.

Final model that can fly is invite only and will be a joke on the track, using those thrusters to go around corners way, way faster than normal.

I wish they had shown track laps and 1/4 mile times instead of the gimmick of flying.

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If they could have they would have shown it.
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I honestly think it’s not finished yet (that’s why no production till 28 and Elon obviously being not confident the demo would work)

They also wouldn’t have wanted it on test tracks before today.

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You can tell a lot about what you don't see... For instance, a driver getting in - or out.

If that thing would have looked like a huge drone (which I strongly suspect it is) no one would be up in arms about it.

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Two people did get out of the one that drove up on stage. They made it very clear there was no human in the one that flew.
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The one on stage was likely very different from the one that "flew".
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I don't think so, most non car people don't understand 1/4 mile times.

And they already did that with a cybertruck pulling a 911, already done.

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If you wanted another pretext to merge Tesla and SpaceX this would be a good way.

The existing tech fab plus this car maybe makes it harder to sue once the merger happens - but he will still be sued. “Look we’re making it rocket cars with AI of course we should be one company”

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A pretext that convinces the most credulous people on the planet. Clever guy this Musk.
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I mean is it ever actually being released? probably not.

Was it a an amazing demo? yes.

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What are you talking about re: the battery pack?
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This is an especially interesting comment given that it misunderstands the Dropbox comment in the common way.
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I think calling it a scam is a crazy thing to say. Tesla has never not (eventually) shipped a product they said they would .

Also yes you can legally sell it. Whether you can legally operate it is a different question.

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May I remind you of the promised 90 second battery swap…13 years ago? https://youtu.be/Oj6LaYFall4?si=RGE8mbZQFdElq0sq
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That wasn't a product they were going to sell to customers.
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The car certainly was (it had to ship with the capability, which it never did). And besides, your point is irrelevant.
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A bunch of the Model S production vehicles did ship with the capability. It was removed from later models. So that part absolutely shipped. Tons of cars on the road to this day still have the hardware in the car to support it.

And they did build one pilot station that did the battery swaps and did some swaps with real owners cars, but drivers didn't like the idea so they abandoned it.

And yes to my point, I said Tesla product, namely something that is sold to customers as is. So yeah it's relevant.

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> A bunch of the Model S production vehicles did ship with the capability.

Which serial numbers? I see no evidence of any customer shipments with this capability. Happy to be corrected with factual evidence, though.

> I said Tesla product, namely something that is sold to customers as is.

That’s not what the word “product” means. It’s not limited to products shipped to end users. Components used only in service stations, dealers, or for their own internal use that are produced by them are also products. Quite literally anything that comes out the output side of a production process is a product.

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The roadster hasn't shipped after 9 years. Including a referral program for preorders. I find it incredibly more insane to be trusting of this
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There are a long list of cars that have not-really-legal abilities.

The corvette ZR-1 had a special key that would unlock all the performance. I don't think it met emissions when unlocked.

Lots of newer muscle cars have performance modes and dragstrip modes that you shouldn't use.

Even other teslas, like model 3 performance and model s plaid have have track mode and dragstrip mode that shouldn't be used on public streets.

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The second generation Roadster (reservations for which opened in 2017) literally is the product they didn't ship.

Also Cybercab.

How many Optimus robots are out in the wild?

It is a scam, 100%.

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This was a product reveal for the new second generation Roadster though?

Cybercab is operating already on the roads? They're building the factory for mass producing them right now.

Optimus robot is still in development.

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*Third generation. They demo'd and took millions in deposits on the second generation roadster that never materialized.
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There are now 300 cyber cabs driving people around Austin, and they’re working on rolling it out.

Optimus is coming, the huge factory in Austin is being built now.

Late? Always. But coming.

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Telling how you skipped his first paragraph.
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For sure, that one is a miss (or very long delay)

Two outta three ain’t bad.

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He actually says in the video that it might not be legal to operate but they could still sell you one. Anything is legal off-road on your own private property.
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Yeah, once you leave the ground you aren't on your property anymore.
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Not true, though the exact boundary is not well defined. See US v. Causby

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Causby

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Depends where you are, but generally you are good to around 400ft above your own property in most cases.
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FAA jurisdiction over the airspace is not the same as a rule prohibiting every form of powered lift-off within it. There's a lot of grey area in FAA regs - for instance you can land a plane on your lawn in class E (if you could manage it).
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He took preorders for the roadster nine years ago. It never shipped.
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What do you think this product reveal was for? The roadster.
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A product reveal implies it's a production ready vehicle.

This was an air tank with a styrofoam shell held together with glue. It's a rough prototype of a concept car.

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So... Still hasn't shipped?
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Still hasn't failed to ship either.
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this is a new roadster, the previous roadster hasnt sold a unit
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WAIT THIS ISN'T THE ONE THAT PEOPLE PREORDERED NINE YEARS AGO?
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The preorders converted over. It's the same product in effect.
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In the sense that they're both vapor, yes.
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"product"
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I think it’s real, the “invite only” version could probably do the kickflip over the semis, but would probably completely exhaust the tanks and require special equipment to refill or take hours with an onboard pump. And the flip is certainly a scripted stunt, not something you’d actually be able to do live. The math doesn’t seem to be completely unreasonable as a one off demo
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They said there is a compressor to re-pressurize the tanks while driving. It made it sound like a power-up in a video game. You can't use it all the time, but if you wait for it to charge up, use it as many times as you want.

I think the bigger issue with be making it street legal. Kickflipping over traffic, and refusing visibility for everyone to 0 in the process, can't be good.

For closed courses, movies, etc it's really cool.

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I don’t think it would be street legal, hence the invite only thing. More of a status symbol / car collector curiosity than an actual car
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I wouldn't be surprised if the presented "invite-only" variant will mostly be aimed at Saudi investors, and they will get an invite if they invest a billion into the company.

This would even be a sensible choice for Tesla, because it will put that car in a garage far away from public scrutiny...

(thinking just about all the debris damage-potential of those thrusters here, not even any potential quality issues)

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When I searched for Tesla on YouTube at the start of the event, the first live event returned was this, an AI generated Tesla presentation with Elon telling users to send bitcoin and he'll send you back double as a promotional event like an X Money thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5EDp2rEbFA. The QR code went to this site: https://roadster.tv. I reported it to YouTube.
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Why are you reposting links to scams?
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So someone can look into it.
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China has had flying cars since 2023 so I don't see how this is a scam. The flying mechanism is unique for the Roadster so that's still to be seen how it would perform out in public.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZpQZSBTi7k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2c-B3y7yGQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU5viDOjWLw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSjXf7IUSDw

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I mean, Tesla demoed, promised, and took reservation money for a roadster reboot that _also_ didn't contain any technology China didn't have in 2017, and at this point they still haven't delivered on that and it feels safe to call it a scam.

Just because the technology is technically feasible doesn't mean that a specific company is not scamming you when they promise it.

And Tesla already has enough of a history of fake promises (your tesla will be a self-driving robotaxi earning money while you sleep within a few years, FSD will take you across the country while you sleep by next year, humanoid robots, the new roadster is taking reservations now and will deliver soon, regulation is the only thing holding up FSD, etc etc).

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To be fair the main reason why FSD hasn't been a wide spread thing is mostly due to local regulations. The technology exists and performs fairly well. FSD is allowed in pretty much all the same cities Waymo is allowed to operate so we can see from this that its a regulatory issue not a technological one.
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wow i did not realise this. are there videos of these flying cars? can you buy them?
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XPeng has been spruiking flying cars (really just giant quadcopters) for a while now, but while they exist and can fly, they're more of a publicity stunt. For example, while you can buy the X2 in Australia, you can't legally fly it.

https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-news/australias-first-flyin...

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There's also a real life speeder bike from Star Wars, if you've got an extra million dollars sitting around.

https://volonaut.com/

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The only one I can think that they might mean is the BYD Yangwang U9. It can jump a tiny bit.
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Yep, just google: china flying cars. They're basically human sized drones/quadcopters.
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none of these are videos of flying cars
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I mean it looks cool but considering they haven't produced any of the other Roadster models in any meaningful quantity, and have repeatedly come up short on much more reasonable product offerings... Idk I have just the slightest doubt about a flying electric car hitting the market any time soon. Hasn't it been nearly a decade since the promise of a software update that would turn your Tesla into a self-driving taxi that can earn money while you're not using it?
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