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All roads lead to Excel. When you try to make a nice dashboard in Jira that incorporated custom fields and all the data was normalized, nope - they send out an excel spreadsheet every time. They do this to any tool you try to use as a group tool to update things - like Confluence. Before you know it it's back in Excel again and you have multiple sources that keep getting lost.
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If data is structured enough to be put in a dashboard, it is structured enough to drive automated tools that make the dashboard redundant.

Excel is the modern equivalent of the back of a napkin. It is inescapable.

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> can I get these results in a CSV format

And then they import to excel.

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At least when I get a CSV I can open it in Calc.

I like CSV as a format!

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I think the criticism this post makes applies regardless of how you get your spreadsheets. It would apply equally to Google Workspace.

Plus, I guess there are office 365 outages, but the outage I personally hear more chatter about is the hosted exchange services (outlook), you will still need an email server in a post ai world, right?

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Sure you'll need an email server. It just doesn't have to be Exchange.
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I wouldn't run Exchange either.

But firstly, it's a legitimate choice for normies who just want to run a business, and second, as I said, the criticisms this article brings would be applicable to any other big tech provider who is laying off staff and leaning heavily into LLMs.

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It's not possible to just run your own email server anymore. You can try, but nobody will interact with it, no matter how long or how hard you work to build your reputation. Fastmail still goes to spam, and they're very large and dedicated. It's hopeless. You use one of the big five or so providers, or you're simply done.
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I don't think this is entirely true, i have my own self hosted email server and it does alright.
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What you're describing is the whole reason we need to ditch them, not reasons to use them.
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The idea that small companies would have fewer problems if they had to debug vibecoded software is badly misguided.
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I'm advocating for spending money on software devs to open source spreadsheets instead of subscriptions.
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Office 365 / Azure AD subscription is cheap. It comes with legal certifications that are very expensive to obtain alone and usually shareholders pressure you to get them. It has remote management capabilities and a very alive closed source plugin ecosystem that's battle tested.

How long would it take FOSS to replace this? How long would businesses and their shareholders will wait? Buying Microsoft will GUARANTEE that you'll have the certification you need in weeks, how long would FOSS would ship and PROVE that they obey a non-open "open" standard?

Will FOSS GUARANTEE cross-compatibility of the file format?

What you are proposing isn't stupid if the most important goal is independence. Most businesses don't care about independence. They PREFER dependencies they can blame and sue / settle with.

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Yes, but it's easy to replace Word and Excel with OpenOffice.
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What’s your Excel replacement solution?
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Excel was always an antipattern for me, I work with biological data, which Excel until recently couldn't even import without data corruption [1]

If it's necessary to recreate all the keyboard shortcuts for Excel like Emacs has done with evil-mode for vim, maybe that works, I don't know.

Hell the finance guys can almost make their own replacement on their own today, with AI.

[1] https://www.science.org/content/article/one-five-genetics-pa...

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I think you are massively underestimating the engineering effort of replacing Excel in large organizations. I don’t think the finance guys can reliably vibe-code an alternative to a massive product that’s at the core of their operations.

Handling simultaneous edits, guaranteeing correctness, handling massive data sets… as amazing as AI is, this is a huge can of worms.

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You don't need to vibe code an alternative to excel, you need to vibe code a solution to the problem you're solving with an excel sheet.

Any nontrivial excel sheet should be a database backed application, the finance guys who build them are in every sense programmers they're just using the wrong tool by convention.

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An agent, sqite, and some html. Are what they want.
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You're missing the point that the users don't want an application. They want to go off on flights of fancy altering the "solution" as they see fit. Excel lets them do whatever crazy thing they want without constraints. Having a database-backed application is exactly what they don't want because they can't be "creative" with it.

I agree with you, BTW, but I've never seen moving Excel sheets to an application work in practice. You can do it, and it just creates more Excel sheets.

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This is in fact several major things:

* Redo UI patterns (for old users): Only matter for on-boarding and compatibility, and probably need to redo the anti-patterns, not necessarily a good idea, or at least must be hold before the next:

* Define a much better internal model than excel has (I bet a mixture of relational, array model as core, then a reactive layer on top), including proper support for correct datatypes (not localized!), dates in all shapes, currency, commodities, unit of measure, etc, tables default as fixed type per column instead of free-form, then we have proper "variant" values, use algebraic types, and so on...

* Then redo the UI

* Define how import/export correctly (so not more non-sense about import based on localized dates, currencies...)

* ... and from legacy formats like Excel

P.D: I explore the idea on https://tablam.org and my goal is eventually marry what excel+access do in one app

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> guaranteeing correctness

So long as you don't have things which aren't dates but which Excel insists totally are. (Meme: https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/2429759-involuntary-celibacy...)

But yes, cans of worms are many, and Tardis-like they are larger inside than out.

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If organizations can't move off Excel, and outages like this continue to be a problem, then competitors that don't use Excel stand to gain an advantage.

Let the dinosaurs go extinct!

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The majority of finance guys can't even vibe code a markdown editor, let's be honest here.
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Yeah, we wont be one-shotting stuff like this for a least another year or maybe even two! (This is a risky prediction, but I made it.)
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Nobody needs to vibe-code OpenOffice Calc, it has existed for decades and works well.
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Actually importing gene names was possible without having autoconverted names, you had to make sure you were importing files using an import tool, currently listed under the "Data" tab and then importing data from file/web or data, or use the button specific for .csv/txt. In this way, Excel would open gene data in a table editor without renaming gene names if you made sure, this has been possible since at least 2005 I believe, or maybe even earlier. It was critical to not just auto-click or open a .csv or .txt file with Excel, but specifically open a blank or existing workbook and then use the import tool from inside the application. Opening data table files directly with Excel was/is typically bad practice.
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Excel is still the tool in Finance. It is the database, the visualization, the calculation enginer, the collaboration tool, and many other things all rolled into one.
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So your suggestion is to make an Excel clone with AI?
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What other option is there?

Edit: actually I think there's got to be a far better and completely different UI that's possible now with AI. There has to be something better. What is it? I don't know. Some clever specialist will invent it.

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Python.

Just throw the raw data at the LLM and tell it to do the analysis directly on that, and there's a good chance it will use python and some data science libraries for you.

And if you want, it'll turn it into a web page where people can drag and drop more raw data files on to get updated analytics.

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But then you’re still just using a vibe coded Excel. Maybe you save a little bit on subscription costs, but that’s probably swamped by other costs.
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This. Judging from replies there are a lot of folks here who imagine Excel usage being something on the order of basic readouts with some SUM()'s and MEAN()'s.

The real grip comes from entire business processes implemented across dozens of worksheets with incredibly complicated cross linked formulae relying on Excel edge case behavior. As soon as LibreOffice et al display the most minute differences they're done and will never be mentioned again.

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What about libreoffice calc?
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That is the only legit solution I’ve heard so far. What is your experience with it? A worthy replacement?
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No. Excel really doesn't have an equivalent replacement. Other parts of the office suite do although if you're a lawyer (revision marking) or have other specific integration needs, you probably need Word.

If you're just doing lists with maybe some simple calcs (which is what most people use spreadsheets for most of the time), pretty much anything works.

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May I ask for a few examples of things you do in Excel that don't have a replacement?

The vast majority of people I have seen using Excel don't know how to write a formula. Now they just started copy-pasting whatever ChatGPT was telling them to copy-paste, but well... and anyway all the alternatives do support formulas of course.

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There are plenty of functional replacements. However there are zero replacements that emulate the same keystrokes and keyboard shortcuts and all other aspects of hard-won muscle memory like function names and quirks of behavior.
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When companies don't want their employees to work remotely and force them to come to the office because they think it's more profitable, it's not like they give a shit what the employees think.

Why would they give a shit about the little comfort of the employees who don't want to learn new shortcuts?

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It's been years since I've really tried to exercise Excel (and haven't used it--or Libre Office--in a long time). Pivot tables, a number of the other data-related functions... Just a bunch of things I'm not going to spend a couple of days digging into. Google Workspace works fine for my needs.
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Pivot tables have been in Calc for years. Do you have any current, specific examples of things you need from Calc that it can't do?
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But then it really sounds like "yeah, Excel does have alternatives"?
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For my use case, mainly science stuff, works like a charm. I find Calc better because I could never get used to the ribbon, and it's also way faster. I actually did my whole thesis in LibreOffice, including all text, references and figures. Afterwards, during the PhD, it was replaced mostly by Python and R, but at that point I was really hitting some resource limits with huge CSVs.
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The main issue is that excel has some proprietary features that make it hard to migrate off.

Otherwise calc has everything for most people. Macros work different a little.

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I sometimes use it for personal use and it seems all right, but I'm not a power user.

I've been finding myself using Google Sheets more, which has the potential for the same problems in this article.

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It might be a worthy replacement for Excel 95, but not really for anything modern.
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It works with csv which is totally broken in excel
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maybe this could be used as a base and people could use AI to create extra features they need on top of it if there are things missing that Excel has that they want
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Peyton-Jones says excel is demonstrably FP so UI aside (which is SAMOP) Haskell seems sensible especially for the finance team.
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FP and SAMOP mean what? Your suggestion is to use a programming language to replace excel?
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FP means functional programming and SAMOP means "simply a matter of programming" and the humour appears to be a Whoosh moment. Cell based spreadsheet programming is good, and should be portable. But people code to Microsoft bugs.
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Sorry so many people making unrealistic solutions, I missed that this was humor.
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This would be an unmitigated disaster - most programmers have trouble with Haskell, I can’t imagine saying hey finance guys here’s an LLM and Haskell figure it out when they’re used to using a full on application with UX. It’s actually so crazy I feel like you’re joking.
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UI is the entire point for an excel alternative, as I understand it.

The computation side is trivial in comparison. But with AI, emulating the UI becomes far easier.

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That's like saying, "UI aside, a car is just wheels and an engine, so drivers should break out the welders instead of relying on big auto"
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The serious answer here is that a lot of MS products have kindof dual purpose: they are 90% used for very simple stuff (collecting data into a spreadsheet, having a text editor that allows basic styling), and 10% stuff that power users rely on (huge excel files with complicated formulas for data transformation and visualization, word / ppt templates with byzantine branding). The answer is that for the simple stuff you rely on open / cheap alternatives, and for the complex stuff (eg visualizing and transforming data for non-programmers, generating presentations and branded text documents) you can just ask ai now.
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For complex stuff you cannot just always ask ai now.
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I have mixed feelings about ai, but I think that word and powerpoint, as tools, are undeniably awful.
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> you rely on open / cheap alternatives

Big business kind of wants 24/4 support that those will not be providing at all though? Plus the various nonsense certifications. I mean try to convince anyone in corporate to use Libre and they'll probably just laugh.

(not that they would ever use that support, they just want to have someone to scapegoat lol)

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So your suggestion is a text editor? And ask AI for anything complex?
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Row Zero (now part of Databricks) is by far the best spreadsheet on the market - it's not even close.

Row Zero's fully Excel compatible, including keyboard shortcuts, long-tail pivot table configurability, 500+ built-in formulas like LAMBDA and LET, and real-time collab. But it scales 1000x beyond Excel (2 billion row limit vs 1 million for Excel), has built in connectors to everything (Databricks, Postgres, S3, Snowflake, etc), native Python support, deep AI integration with Databricks Genie, and all the security and data governance features to make big banks and healthcare providers comfortable. It's built by the team who brought Rust into AWS and rewrote S3's file system circa 2018.

We're used by individuals and small businesses all the way up to huge deployments in the Fortune 100.

Source: Was founder and CEO, now leading spreadsheet development at Databricks

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> fully Excel compatible

But is it 1-2-3 compatible?

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R and Python are both obvious replacements for data processing, and having the data itself appear in read-write columns of an Excel file is and has always been ludicrous.

Excel was for a time when programming meant more arcane languages. In 2026, there is no excuse for a business major not to know Python or R. They're both easy.

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They are not nearly as easy as Excel, even for people who know those other languages well.
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I don't think you understand what Excel is and what it does.
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Do tell!
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So your suggestion is replace excel with python and R? So when I send someone a spreadsheet instead I send them… a python script?
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I feel some of these people posting have not thought too hard and/or don’t understand the actual requirements here.

Also Excel is probably the best thing MS produces. There is lower hanging fruit elsewhere

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Excel is the best product I would never want to work with.

Unfortunately I have to.

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I'm not an Excel expert so I can't judge but https://getartcraft.com/apps/gridcraft is in heavy development at the moment
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Why are you recommending unfinished software that you don’t even use… that’s not a legitimate solution.
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I'm already using the Word one and I feel like it's better than the original so I'm guessing Excel is at a similar level of quality.
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These products all have super deep feature sets. This might meet basic editing needs. There is zero chance they have replicated the full feature set. Word for example has a ton of functionality for lawyers.

I can tell you all of the Excel alternatives are extremely disappointing.

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I guess you only need to get a list of the feature sets and then have an AI implement them (and follow up to test them and such)
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I do agree with that but I also think ultimately that a copy with all the most basic features and the familiar UI is good enough for most users, certainly for me
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Ok fair. Anyone here have experience with the excel clone?
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What do you mean? This has been in development since October 2026. That's a whole month. In the age of AI that's pretty solid.

And the 3k commits in a month, all good signs

/s

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Other cool thing they can run as headless mcp servers
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> In the age of AI there's ZERO reason for "the global North" to continue using Microsoft.

They own 27% of OpenAI. I don't think that having all of them swap to ChatGPT is necessarily going to have the effect you're hoping.

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The problem is never Excel, its user and permissions management. Apart from Google Suite there is not really any other one stop shop for all of that, and definitly nothing open source (for now)...
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You write in the imperative, as if advising a leader.

However, leaders are advised by their underlings, who are swayed by their technical officers, who are charmed by the commercial arm of corporations.

The only effective path to actual change is to charm the technical officers with a product that is strictly superior in the metrics they care about. They'll then work their way up the chain.

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> You write in the imperative, as if advising a leader.

We should stop referring to management at companies as "leaders". They don't lead anything. They perform administrative tasks so that their employees can actually do the real work.

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> The only effective path to actual change is to charm the technical officers with a product that is strictly superior in the metrics they care about.

Probably not gonna work: those "technical" officers are mouse-click engineers. IOW, they don't know much detail, but they sure as hell know where to click!

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With respect: you're a biologist, and your experience with backoffice software requirements is probably the same as my experience with biochemistry: near total ignorance.

There are exabytes of documents in Microsoft formats that can be at best "read" with a significant level of data corruption in other products (formatting errors). Writing them back out with shredding them is hit & miss at best. Entire MS products have no equivalent at all that can open their file formats, such as MS Access and Power BI.

Word isn't just paragraphs, italic, and bold.

Excel has features you probably have never even heard of, but people use at scale. Things like tabular data connections using OData. It's the front-end for SQL Server Analysis Services. It has the Mashup columnar engine from Power BI built in to it. Etc, etc, etc.

These things are massive products, with deep integrations across each other, third-party software, third-party plugins, cloud products, and on and on.

There's easily several million man-years of effort sunk into the Microsoft Office ecosystem.

Switching costs are not a matter of failing to "somehow convince" people to switch.

The switching costs are on the order of trillions of dollars, not a decision to be taken lightly.

Here's some critical points everybody normally ignores in these discussion:

1) Partial switching doesn't help, because now you have two problems!

2) Everyone else has to switch too. Google Workspace people were laughing during the Outlook outage, eeeeexcept... they couldn't send or receive emails either -- because their business partners, vendors, and customers likely used Outlook.

3) The alternative with the same features, same level of integration, same commercial support, etc... is the same thing, with the same problems, but just a different brand.

You can't escape the reality of this, it is what it is, there's no nirvana that we could all achieve if we "just" did something "simple".

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> Excel has features you probably have never even heard of, but people use at scale.

Yeah I've watched Joel Spolsky's "you suck at excel" tutorial, but I've also created financial models for CFOs and the finance team using Excel instead of doing an RShint App because I wanted them to be able to understand and extend the model.

It's software. It can be recreated, more easily than ever.

I'm saying people should put their MS license fees towards in house devs working on open source projects to achieve the goal, rather than just let MS Hoover it up to waste on Copilot interfaces that nobody ever uses. Let the local devs squander that money, after they have reimplemented all the Excel keyboard shortcuts in OpenOffice and added abhorrent plotting themes that recapitulate 30 years of incompetent Microsoft practices.

Idealistic? Sure. But why not try.

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Curious:

- what do "financial models for CEOs" contain apart from long rows and some numeric columns on which elementary arithmetic was applied on?

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One example would modeling the costs and revenue for a business unit, the prices from suppliers, the fixed costs of capital, the number and type of employees, the throughput from sales, etc.

One of Excel's many powers is letting people play with numbers in cells and see the results of long chains of computations. Or create an array of potential values and see the results across a wide variety of inputs. Or even use the builtin solver to find the value that minimizes or maximizes a desired output...

And thats before starting on the pivot tables!!!

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More likely than Excel getting replaced is that agents and users collaborate through Excel.
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> In the age of AI there's ZERO reason for "the global North" to continue using Microsoft. Wean your finance guys off of Excel, somehow.

What does AI have to do with it? Are you proposing that we replace Excel for accounting purposes with something vibecoded? That sounds a bit nuts to me. You can pay a bit of money for mature software that will probably not fail to add 2 + 2 correctly and will not run away with your wife, so why give that up?

I actually suspect that companies such as Microsoft pushing for AI everywhere may undermine that proposition... but then, the alternative is probably LibreOffice Calc, which is eminently boring and doesn't have Copilot popping up.

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After 30+ years of hearing this type of twaddle, it's more likely for Microsoft to keel over because of its own leadership incompetence than to be so much as dented by any of these half-baked community efforts.
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One can only hope everything you've laid out comes to fruition.
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Depends how you do it. You could easily replace MS rent with OpenAnthroogle rent instead.
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I'm stealing that neologism and claiming it as my own.
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> OpenAnthroogle

Great term!! :)

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The finance team would give up cocaine before MS Excel. And they would give up water before cocaine. Now you know how important Excel is.
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Oh please, stop it everyone with this thrite trope of the fabled finance guys with their crazy spreadsheet that holds the whole company together. 99% of Excel use is NOT that!

What MS365 does best (for now) is being a one stop shop for user/permissions/device management and coming with outlook/exchange/Teams - nobody with purchasing power gives a shit if ppl get Excel or LibreCalc as spreadsheet, they get it because it comes with the rest.

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Office 365 is the cheapest solution. Its five subscriptions (email, office software, storage, chat/calls) bundled into one 11 euro/month deal.
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Unless you spin up an entire devops team plus an ML team to run inference at scale in-house, you're just changing where you funnel your subscription money.

Also: No home-grown CRM will have, in the long run, uptimes anywhere approaching e.g. Office365. You're just smearing one large outage into a lot more small ones, plus a few data losses.

That rent buys you something. The internal development buys you something very different. You might want to make a reasoned call on what you're buying instead of making GDP predictions.

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The ONLY WAY to get rid of MS Excel is to make something better and then literally force feed it to the finance folks who will go kicking and screaming all the way.
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That is a more complete description of "wean" which I agree with.
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